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ducati pricing

For a little while now I have been interested in the Ducati GT1000 as a possible for my next motorcycle. Since I am a little obsessive about certain things, motorcycles is one of these things. I researched by looking at the specs and reading as many reviews as possible. I also researched the GT’s cousin, the Monster.
I noticed that the reviews approached these two bikes very differently, yet the price tags were very similar. The new Monster 1100 (particularly the S model) is packed with up to the minute riding technology (adjustable suspension, single sided swing arm, alloy wheels, great breaks). The GT on the other hand is loaded with newish, yet out of date technology (non-adjustable forks, standard swing arm, spoked wheels, good breaks).
To get to the bottom of it, I compared the two bikes via their spec sheets. I then went to an OEM parts website and priced the various parts that were different and I came up with this spreadsheet. This spreadsheet showcases how much more the components for the Monster costs as compared to the GT1000. I didn’t price out the engine, since there are too many parts to price.
At the end of it all, the cost difference was approaching $4000. That being said, I discounted the end total by 50% to account for retail markup. This reduced the cost difference to roughly $2000.
The conclusion is the Monster is either underpriced, or the GT1000 is overpriced. There may be some strategy behind this. The Monster has loads of competition and therefore can’t be priced too high. The GT1000, on the other hand, has very limited competition. Therefore they have the ability to price higher and also Ducati doesn’t want to appear too cheap. They are a luxury brand, after all.

My ideal bike would have the ergonomics of the GT1000 but the components of the Monster. That bike doesn’t seem to exist. In which case I want a $2000 coupon on the GT1000.
I intend to contact Ducati about this, I’ll update this post if I hear back.

ducati gt1000 vs monster (updated)

Why I did it:
Since the the two bikes are so similar on the spec sheet it is difficult to see the differences in ride and comfort.

How I did it:
I downloaded photos of the GT1000 and the monster from ducati.com and lined them up in photoshop. I used an approximation for wheelbase in order to scale them properly. I then traced some of the key elements (forks, seat, handles, pegs) using red for the GT1000 and yellow for the Monster.

What it shows:
This image shows that the GT1000 has a much more relaxed riding position. This is of course to be expected. I was a little surprised by the fork angle since on paper they have the same rake angle.

Update: added XR1200, R1200R, and my current bike XL 883 to the image. Due to the slightly differing photo angles, this data is less than scientific.

motorcycle dreaming on such a winter’s day

While trapped inside for so many hours my mind can’t help but wander to open roads on powerful two wheeled machines. What would any motorcycle enthusiast do but dream about what his next bike is going to be and rank them in order of preference. I took a more realistic approach at least and also considered the cost of ownership.
If I had my druthers, my bike of choice would be a hybrid of two bikes which may or may not be possible to build, and even if it is, it may prove to be cost prohibitive. It would be a Harley Nightster with the front end and rear swing arm of the XR1200. Here is a rough photoshopping of my idea. I didn’t bother to make the wheels match.
The reason for this is that I really like the look and feel of the nightster but I want more up to date components like suspension, brakes, and electronics. The cost of this would probably be a nightster with several thousand in parts and tools or labor depending on whether I did the work or not.

Now on to bikes that actually exist and there order. I first made a spreadsheet of the bikes in question.
I then considered the styling and potential ride characteristics of each bike and how they fit my current riding preferences and needs.
1st Place:
The first bike is still the Harley-Davidson Nightster, even without major alterations. This bike wins for several reason. The first is that it is a Harley and I really like the look and feel of the sportsters. For the most part I like to use my bike for fun commutes to and from places. I prefer to take back roads and take in the scenery. The sportsters do this well and they accelerate relatively quickly. I do not need to go 150mph or even 100mph. As for cost of ownership, sportsters with their belt drive and 50mpg fuel economy are relatively cheap to maintain. The downsides are behind the times technologies and weight. The nightster is the lightest sportster but still weighs 100lbs more than the non-harley bikes on my spreadsheet. Low horsepower is also a down side but this can be partially remedied through add-ons and upgrades.
2nd Place:
The second bike is the Yamaha FZ1. This is because it has so much horsepower (150) and is cheaper (retail) than the nightster. This bike also offers a relatively comfortable ride. The down sides are the styling and the fuel economy of 35 mpg. The styling is much better on the European version. Also, I don’t need to go 172mph which is the top speed for this bike. I want to get from zero to 45 really quickly and then maintain that speed comfortably.
3rd Place:
The third bike might be a tie between the Triumph Speed Triple and the BMW R1200R. I am not really crazy about the styling of either and both have similar power ratings. They both have similar to the yamaha fuel economy and would be similar to each other in terms of maintenance since parts would need to be imported and dealerships get more spread out than Harley and/or Yamaha dealers. I am however partial to Triumphs since I learned to ride on a 1974 Triumph Trident (never mind the neighbor’s tomato plants in the background). BMW is always a front runner in new technology which is why I am drawn to their bikes.
Honorable Mention:
The new Ducati Monster 1100 is a beast (aided by its absurdly light 370lbs of dry weight)  but is also a beast to maintain. The KTM Super Duke looks to be a downright blast but is too exotic and would require imports for every fix and dealers are ever so scarce. It is also the most expensive of the lot. Finally the Harley-Davidson XR1200. I like it but not enough to make me want to buy the whole bike. I just want the front suspension, brakes, electronics, and rear swing arm (which is stiffer and lighter than the stock) on my Nightster which would have a stage one upgrade to increase the power rating to something more respectable.

Please suggest any other bikes I may have left out, however please note that I will not consider Kawasaki or Suzuki bikes for reasons of personal experience, taste, and opinions. Honda doesn’t sell any standard motorcycles in the USA. They have plenty in Europe, even though their styling is uninspired. I have also been warned by many to steer clear of Buell.